Author Jacob Tobia joins co-hosts Eric Newman and Medaya Ocher to discuss their first book, Sissy: A Coming of Gender Story. In a wide-ranging conversation, Tobia talks about coming into their non-binary gender, confronting haters, and embracing the messiness of identity. Not only is Jacob a joy to talk with, but they also give a brilliant long view on the struggles both for queer rights and also for people to live however they feel gendered in their body.